tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post4307417994633098402..comments2024-02-19T00:55:11.075-10:00Comments on maui surf report: New proposed windsurfing limitation: let's act soon!cammarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08319369737358774800noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-61495376818056168672008-02-19T10:45:00.000-10:002008-02-19T10:45:00.000-10:00Hey, the fight isnt over. I just found ANOTHER bi...Hey, the fight isnt over. I just found ANOTHER bill trying to do the same thing. Check this out:<BR/><BR/>http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/site1/docs/getstatus2.asp?billno=HB2222<BR/><BR/>Its a HOUSE bill similar to the SENATE bill as well.<BR/><BR/>-MarcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-75333317623329346982008-02-19T09:18:00.000-10:002008-02-19T09:18:00.000-10:00Anyone remember that old satirical classic, "Natio...Anyone remember that old satirical classic, "National Brotherhood Week," by Tom Lehrer? A throwback to a bygone era. With such time-honored lyrics as:<BR/><BR/>"All of my folks,<BR/>hate all of your folks,<BR/>it's American as apple pie."<BR/><BR/>You can listen to it <A HREF="http://sounds1.neilrogers.com/sounds/dat001/073.mp3" REL="nofollow">here</A>, or, in various other sound formats, <A HREF="http://sounds.neilrogers.com/sounds/dat001/073.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.<BR/><BR/>What does this have to do with anything? Plenty. "Just be grateful that it doesn't last all year."<BR/><BR/>PS. "I know there are people in the world who do not love their fellow human beings, and I hate people like that."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-1098786239714325902008-02-18T20:30:00.000-10:002008-02-18T20:30:00.000-10:00What's the average age of the readers of this blog...What's the average age of the readers of this blog? Judging from the maturity level of some comments, I'd say around six!<BR/><BR/>Something extremely unfair was about to happen. This post, BY COMPLETE CHANCE (I thought about renaming it "the poo that saved windsurfing"), together with the tens of phone calls that Jeff must have done and the subsequent thousands of emails, pretty much saved our ass.<BR/><BR/>And now, instead of constructive contributions to finding a way of avoiding that something like this would happen again in the future (like how to effectively monitor new proposed laws), the only thing I find here is windsurfers whining about kitesurfers, surfers whining about windsurfers, abcsurfers whining about xyzsurfers... how depressing.<BR/><BR/>I'm over it. <BR/>Let me start posting some photos again...cammarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08319369737358774800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-16858318609287110702008-02-18T16:17:00.000-10:002008-02-18T16:17:00.000-10:00Anon, it's Pontius, not Pointius.Anon, it's Pontius, not Pointius.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-55610609965107268622008-02-18T16:02:00.000-10:002008-02-18T16:02:00.000-10:00Hey Pointius, Shut the fuck up!Hey Pointius, Shut the fuck up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-15156810762896044562008-02-18T09:35:00.000-10:002008-02-18T09:35:00.000-10:00I wrote before that this bill is all about kitesur...I wrote before that this bill is all about kitesurfers being dicks at Kailua and Diamond Head, and guess what, I was proven correct.<BR/><BR/>Now, I find it very ironic that kitesurfers all of a sudden want to "unite" with windsurfers, in order to protect themselves from the consequences of their own disrespect and disregard for others.<BR/><BR/>Windsurfing has worked hard to establish itself as a respectable sport with roots in the community. Windsurfing has paid its dues when it comes to access in Hawaii and elsewhere. Why in the heck would windsurfing want to "unite" itself with kitesurfing, a sport perceived as being practiced by a bunch of sociopathic hooligans hellbent on destroying themselves and everything and everybody else around them? <BR/><BR/>Kitesurfing is nothing but a boat anchor working as hard as it can to drag windsurfing to the bottom - and this bill proves it. In the public eye, the distinction between windsurfing and kitesurfing has become blurred. <BR/><BR/>What windsurfing really needs to do is to establish in the public perception a strong differentiation versus kitesurfing. <BR/><BR/>The public at large and the legislature both need to be made aware that windsurfing is NOT kitesurfing - the two are DIFFERENT in terms of equipment, in terms of demographics, in terms of safety, and in terms of impact. <BR/><BR/>And that, my friends, is the best and surest way for windsurfers to preserve access for their sport - NOT by blurring the differentiation with kitesurfing, but by reinforcing it.<BR/><BR/>Kitesurfers, dig your own grave, but please, don't ask us to lie in it with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-76002697619484624182008-02-18T06:34:00.000-10:002008-02-18T06:34:00.000-10:00Glad to hear it is "deferred," but the thing I fin...Glad to hear it is "deferred," but the thing I find most interesting about this entire subject is how "they" almost got this bill though without anyone aware of it, especially in the WS industry?! Luckily, we have the internet and forums/communication mediums such as blogs, content specific news sites, and email to voice opinions almost instantaneously. If this happened back in the 90s, windsurfing Hookipa may have been screwed. As others said, whether on the mainland, Hawaii, or your local spot, the eye of government regulation is always there, and people have to remain informed and aware. Our eyes are often lead off the ball with the influx of nonsense media (who watches Britney Hour on E!/Fox News, more than CSPAN?!); but when something like this which would have a direct impact slips as far as it did into the legislative arena...makes you wonder what else may have been missed on other issues?!Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05850830946224689361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-60532093508443504092008-02-17T21:09:00.000-10:002008-02-17T21:09:00.000-10:00I don't have a comment, I just wanted to be #50!I don't have a comment, I just wanted to be #50!Sharonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16499525264167333784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-17767519937720382952008-02-17T17:45:00.000-10:002008-02-17T17:45:00.000-10:00No offense, but your choice of domain names is iro...No offense, but your choice of domain names is ironic. The windsurf equipment manufacturer, Windsurfing Hawaii, went bankrupt years ago.<BR/><BR/>So essentially, your website is trying to bring back the dead. Not cool. Do some due diligence next time. Or change the domain name.<BR/><BR/>It's bad juju.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-45086081570773025432008-02-17T16:15:00.000-10:002008-02-17T16:15:00.000-10:00Aloha Folks, I faxed my testimony in time but had ...Aloha Folks, I faxed my testimony in time but had no chance to go to oahu that next day. <BR/><BR/>Thanks to everybody else who actually did something, so the Bill got dismissed. <BR/><BR/>Keep in mind, that this bill can be back on the table at any time soon, and again without warning. <BR/>Everybody please get together NOW.<BR/><BR/>Check out this website: http://www.savewindsurfinghawaii.com .<BR/>Next time this issue comes up, they will submit all our voices straight to the senate - in bulk and in time. <BR/><BR/>We are not lossing precious time, and our voices will be heard.<BR/><BR/>Aloha, Ralf<BR/>Kula / MauiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-54997165391662814702008-02-17T13:40:00.000-10:002008-02-17T13:40:00.000-10:00To all those windsurfers who think kiters should b...To all those windsurfers who think kiters should be banned and all those kiters who think windsurfers should be banned, and all those snowboarders, skiers, surfers, skateboarders, towsurfers, paragliders, mtn and road bikers and every other sport we all do. Quit f___ing crying about each other and realize that anyone of our sports could be banned overnight when I see shit like SB2091 and Superferry laws. Let's not spend our energies on each other but on our government which takes our freedoms away on daily basis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-20656893038749193772008-02-17T12:05:00.000-10:002008-02-17T12:05:00.000-10:00After all "Brainless" politicians doesn't exist on...After all "Brainless" politicians doesn't exist only at the White House , it seems that you have them at the State of Hawaii too.<BR/>I've seen that local Hawaiians are everything but nice and friendly, the stickers on their monster trucks says it all ("You flew here. We grew here" and "Welcome to Hawaii...now go home").Perhaps local people have influenced them to come up with this genius idea.<BR/>They (politicians) simply don't understand that 60% or more of Maui’s North Shore economy is based on the windsurfing industry.<BR/>Fortunately there are a lot more places on earth without stupid and senseless laws, where we as surfers and windsurfers can co-exist in peace (Except for Kitesurfing that I agree it should be banned).<BR/>Since I’m a windsurfer/surfer, I’ve been 3 times in Maui and I was planning to go there every 2 years, but with stupid and idiot laws like this County project and another, already existing, that limits to 10 or 15 the number of people on the water. I won’t return for sure.<BR/>We still have South Africa, Cape Verde, WA, Baja, Canary Islands and my home spot Guincho , were every windsurfer/surfer is welcome<BR/><BR/>Pedro<BR/>PortugalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-79795852565923726732008-02-17T11:37:00.000-10:002008-02-17T11:37:00.000-10:00hay gp,what happening with the hot sails old guy n...hay gp,<BR/><BR/>what happening with the hot sails old guy name "butch?"<BR/><BR/>i remember he always talking "hot sails" this "hot sails" that and sail kahana?<BR/><BR/>he drive the old vw van, you remembers he?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-5371017159112264752008-02-17T10:23:00.000-10:002008-02-17T10:23:00.000-10:00deferred ?? i am not religious,but hey anyways "th...deferred ?? i am not religious,but hey anyways <BR/>"thank *^& in God!!"jeff E of the Great White Northhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01315207761916573472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-27044569105060503982008-02-17T08:18:00.000-10:002008-02-17T08:18:00.000-10:00GP, thanks for posting that clip of the sailor and...GP, thanks for posting that clip of the sailor and the surfer.<BR/>Could you (if you find a moment) post somthing about maritime vessel rules of right away and surfing edicate? I think<BR/>that alot of windsurfers/kiters have never really been in the line up so they are totaly in the dark. Perhaps they aren't really (jerks)thier just uninformed. <BR/>I have had some great experiances surfing and shairing the same wave with friends on sailboards it really is no problem as long as they are ahead of me and not cutting back. On those rare ocasions it's usualy margional conditions for boath of us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-80216731447750751842008-02-16T22:44:00.000-10:002008-02-16T22:44:00.000-10:00If you haven't noticed, there's also a Facebook gr...If you haven't noticed, there's also a Facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7798190852Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-23847480183732941152008-02-16T22:35:00.000-10:002008-02-16T22:35:00.000-10:00Anybody find a Mistral Beast or see it floating by...Anybody find a Mistral Beast or see it floating by? Separated near Ho'okipa, could be anywhere from Baldwin to Waiehu. White with orange stripes. Reward for return.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-5171583823157060672008-02-16T21:19:00.000-10:002008-02-16T21:19:00.000-10:00Sorry for the bad spelling w/out spell check I am ...Sorry for the bad spelling w/out spell check I am lost! alohaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-55081201488934822332008-02-16T21:09:00.000-10:002008-02-16T21:09:00.000-10:00Aloha to eveery one that responded to this mess! W...Aloha to eveery one that responded to this mess! Why dont we start swiming @ hookipa in the waves on big days that we are not good enough to surf and then call the cops because someone infringed on our rights!<BR/>It's good training! <BR/>We can be just like all the mainlanders with thieir covanances to protect them from thier neighbors that have encroched on thier envestments! <BR/>Or we could just find a way to get along and have monumintal seshons that no one cares about. <BR/>Shame on you for xxxxx with surfers when its good! When it's good for surfing give some space so we can all experss our selves! <BR/>There is some clearly definded surf edicate that everyone can understand. <BR/>Just play by the rules and we won't have these buracratit watch dogs breathing down our necks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-88123495029182396002008-02-16T21:02:00.000-10:002008-02-16T21:02:00.000-10:00Ward,thank you so much for your comments, it remin...Ward,<BR/><BR/>thank you so much for your comments, it reminded me a couple of very important points that I wanted to make, but I forgot.<BR/>I have now updated my third update (at the end of it).<BR/>Thanks!cammarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08319369737358774800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-74821144999940993282008-02-16T20:27:00.000-10:002008-02-16T20:27:00.000-10:00Listen up, all you smart and perfect people, God's...Listen up, all you smart and perfect people, God's chosen ones... When the Universe sends you and your group feedback, in the form of the Hawaii State Legislature considering a bill to limit your activity, there are a few different ways that you can react.<BR/><BR/>You can say: "What's wrong with these people? Why are they out to get us? Why do they resent it so much when they see us having fun? Don't they know that we are perfect? Don't they know that we have an absolute God-given right to do whatever we please, wherever we want, anytime we choose? Why do they hate us so? Why do they hate our freedoms? They must be evil." <BR/><BR/>Sound familiar? This is what I see going on mostly on this blog's comments and on other forums.<BR/><BR/>An alternative would be to ask: "Is there anything that members of our group may have done or said that would cause other perfectly reasonable people to react towards us in a negative way? Have there been any incidents that would cause other people to view us as interfering with their own freedoms and their own enjoyments? For example, over the years, have there been repeated instances of collisions and or confrontations between kiters and beach-goers, or collisions and or confrontations between windsurfers and surfers, and so on, that lead others to believe that we endanger their safety? If so, is there anything we can do so that negative perceptions about us are limited, or reversed? How successful have we been at self-regulating and self-policing? Is there any room for improvement there?"<BR/><BR/>Tell you what, I don't see anyone anywhere asking these kinds of questions. <BR/><BR/>Cut to the chase. If I extrapolate the tenor of these comments, it's not a far stretch before someone just steps up to say: "Fellow windsport kooks, it is time that we topple the Hawaii State Government and replace it with a sailboarding/kitesurfing friendly regime! The 1893 overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy simply did not go far enough, and left some unfinished business remaining to be settled!" Let me be clear, for the benefit of any possible morons who might read this, and who might get the idea in their heads that this could be a good thing, or conclude somehow that I am advocating acts of sedition (yes, unfortunately, after seeing windsport kooks in action and hearing what comes out of their mouths, not to be mistaken with speech, I do believe that such morons do exist): I am not advocating anything here, just presenting a reductio ad absurdum argument to make a point, that's all. If you don't get it, bugger off.<BR/><BR/>The thing about history is that it always repeats itself, in odd and subtle ways, whether anyone remembers it, or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-46725536883305661732008-02-16T11:26:00.000-10:002008-02-16T11:26:00.000-10:00Scary persons who needs to take one wave each.Scary persons who needs to take one wave each.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-48473597634193524052008-02-16T11:17:00.000-10:002008-02-16T11:17:00.000-10:00...just heard a rumor from Oahu that it was a surf......just heard a rumor from Oahu that it was a surfing/ lawyer that got pissed on a Kiter aka "Hunter" and wanted to get even and seattle this in a stealth mode without too much public involved...scary...<BR/><BR/>Rumor though...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-88407097920709156872008-02-16T08:20:00.000-10:002008-02-16T08:20:00.000-10:00'Just like Einstein said: "Survival of the Fittest...'Just like Einstein said: "Survival of the Fittest!" '<BR/><BR/>Hey 'Sunny Garcia', that was Darwin, not Einstein. It would be nice if you take some time out off bitching online about other people having fun in the water and go to school....Besides, this legislature affected both kiting and windsurfing on Hawaii. Let's keep this catfight out of GP's blog please! He is all about peace and tolerance! <BR/>But serioulsy, I am glad I sent an email too. Together we can make a difference!<BR/>MarcosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11399910.post-58431110834524486242008-02-15T16:05:00.000-10:002008-02-15T16:05:00.000-10:00Till you kite, you won't get it. Kites need less s...Till you kite, you won't get it. Kites need less space, less wind and less money than windsurfers. But you should be under 50 (years old) to participate, have a good attitude and enjoy a beer at the end of an epic session with your mates, without bitching about other people enjoying their sport on the water. I know a huge amount of kiters that fit into all these categories. Sounds good eh? Just ask me for more info!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com